I (Sort of) Support the Troops


Let me just start off by assuring you – the Reader! – that all-important element in this whole symbiotic relationship we’s got going on, that the opinions expressed herein, hereof and hereafter are not necessarily those of Multiply.

They’re probably not those of the Sanitarium management, either. The Sanitarium’s distinguished Board of Directors has made it exceedingly clear to me – sometimes going so far as to jot furious disclaimers upon crumpled cocktail napkins and torn condom wrappers – that they do not wish in any way to be associated with the contents of this parti-cul-yar blog entry.

Not with a title like this one has. Get real!

I mean, have another look at it…

I mean, all you have to do is to remove the parenthetical from the title – just two measly little words! – and what remains is the most basic, bland Truism our culture has ever yet devised! Atheists and conservatives, Democrats and Theosophists, Objectivists and winos and poets and even NAMBLA itself are ALL in unanimous singing agreement that each and every one of them to the sticky core of their sticky bones (if they have them, and down to their sticky roots and stems if they do not) without question absolutely and positively SUPPORT OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM! [cue triumphant marching music]

And yet, there’s that title, still staring you in the face. Unblinking. Unfathomable.

I should probably back up a little.

The other day, I received an email on my email machine. This pleased me greatly, so I opened it. The subject line said this: “FW:”.

It seems like people are always sending me emails about Eff-Double-u-Colon on my email machine!

The rest of the email said this:

“It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
If you can read this message thank a teacher,
If you are reading it in English of your own free will THANK A SOLDIER!

It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves under the flag,
and whose coffin is draped by the flag,
who allows the protester to burn the flag.”

I’ll admit to you that something about this message troubled me greatly. More to the point, something about the fact that something about this message troubled me greatly troubled me greatly.

So I thunk and I thunk, and the more that I thunk, the more that my American-brand brain got stretched and got twisted, got rollercoaster-mutate-a-bendy-transmorphorized. My American-brand brain has an American flag stamped upon it, you see, so it took an exceedingly long period of time for it to recognize and acknowledge what the trouble was.

The trouble was this: The message from Eff-Double-u-Colon and the email machine was Complete and Utter Nonsense.[1]

And when I recognized and acknowledged that, to be honest, I felt a little bit queasy.

When I recognized and acknowledged that, I fell out of my chair. I staggered slack-jawed out into the hot Houston sun, peering out at the world with fresh dewy eyes, startled, quivering, as though I had awoke to find myself standing before my entire fifth grade class giving a book report in my underwear.

Again.

But friends, I tell you this: I staggered out into that street and as I staggered, I saw it all. Through a forest of yellow ribbons, I saw what I had been missing for so long.

I saw that America has a national religion. Not Christianity not Judaism not consumerism not supply-side-economic-secular-humanist-liberalism-blah-blah-blah.

America has a religion, and the religion of America is Soldier Worship.

Under the tenets of Soldier Worship, five dollars and a signed and notarized letter from His Holiness Rev. Pope President XIV himself won’t get you a cup of coffee at Starbuck’s, but you can get away with anything by uttering the magic words “I Support the Troops” and passin’ around some empty sentimental platitudes next to a picture of a bowing soldier and the American flag.[2]

Under the tenets of Soldier Worship, even a mind-bending language-esque statement like this one might appear to make sense: “If you have not served in the Armed Forces, you should not express an opinion about the war.”[3]

The First Commandment of Soldier Worship is this: Thou shalt not talk about Soldier Worship.

And the Second Commandment of Soldier Worship is this: Thou shalt not talk about Soldier Worship.

So now look at what you and Eff-Double-u-Colon have gone and made me do. I’ve broken the First Commandment of Soldier Worship. And I’ve broken the Second Commandment of Soldier Worship, too.

Is it possible for me to do this and still support the troops?

I support our troops to precisely the same degree I support our carriers of the mails. I support our troops to precisely the same degree I support our drivers of trucks, and photographers of still pictures, and preparers of assorted foods. This seems entirely appropriate to me since, in the military, the job of some individuals consists of carrying mails or driving trucks or taking photographs or preparing assorted foods.

Presumably, soldiers and sailors can be said to deliver the mails more heroically than civilians.[4]

Huh? What is that you say? Oh… Friends, I’ve just received word that 310 million Americans have begun yelling “You suck!” in unison in my general direction.

If you’ll excuse me, I think I’ll step back and let the Soldier Worship Choir take over.

“If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven’s scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines.”

America has a religion, and the religion of America is Soldier Worship.

You can trust me on this. After all, I (sort of) support the troops.


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[1] Among the dizzying array of problems with the passage in question is the inconvenient fact that over the past 60 years, the United States has experienced far more serious threats to its freedom from within than from without.

[2] Soldier Worship fundamentalists can be identified using an easy-to-administer home test. In laboratory studies over an 18-year period, Soldier Worship fundamentalists were consistently unable to recognize the following speech as being that of a satirical military psychopath, as penned by a Hollywood liberal crackhead: “You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You?... I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives... I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!”

[3] A common variation on this, often espoused by Soldier Worship fundamentalists, is known as The Starship Troopers Rule: “Military service is required to earn the right to vote or to hold political office.”

[4] Just to be on the safe side, I tied a blue ribbon around my old oak tree after mail delivery at my house yesterday. The way I figure it, a person is at least as likely to get shot wandering around the streets of a major US city as in a Middle Eastern desert.

Comments

  1. Well, with the space of twenty-three years between us, and the benefit of a full-on education in history, I really shouldn't snark a response.

    But my first, immediate, and gut reaction was to say, "What took you this long to figure it out?"

    The whole fucking nation worships guns, darlin'. For every Libertarian/intellectual like me who collects firearms for their historical value and spends weekends reenacting Civil War battles, there's a hundred guys named Cletus or Dusty or Bubba who are proud of the fact that (1) everything they own which fires a projectile of some sort is used to (2) kill lower life forms, and which can be used to (3) kill his fellow man when 'needed'.

    'Needed' is usually based on some philosophy to the right of Attila the Hun.

    What these semiliterates with partially-developed frontal-lobes don't know, can't fathom, and won't learn is this:

    It is the law which guarantees freedom of speech, the press, the right to peaceably assemble, the right to a fair trial, and the right to practice (or not) the religion of our choice - that first statement notwithstanding.

    The idiot who wrote that probably believes Jesus is real.

    He also probably believes a lot of other nonsense. The statement itself proves it.

    The Starship Troopers rule, and all the rest of that twaddle, is the result of at least sixty years of abysmal education.

    I don't fault you for taking this long to connect the dots.

    I praise you for having done so.

    Scared, yet? I am.

    I've been afraid of these people for a couple of decades now. Because they would cheerfully hang me for a traitor.

    You, too....

    Sleep well.

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  2. Well, with the space of twenty-three years between us, and the benefit of a full-on education in history, I really shouldn't snark a response.

    But my first, immediate, and gut reaction was to say,"What took you this long to figure it out?"

    The whole fucking nation worships guns, darlin', along with soldiers. For every Libertarian/intellectual like me who collects firearms for their historical value and spends weekends reenacting Civil War battles, there's a hundred guys named Cletus or Dusty or Bubba who are proud of the fact that (1) everything they own which fires a projectile of some sort is used to (2) kill lower life forms, and which can be used to (3) kill his fellow man when 'needed'.

    'Needed' is usually based on some philosophy to the right of Attila the Hun.

    What these semiliterates with partially-developed frontal-lobes don't know, can't fathom, and won't learn is this:

    It is the law which guarantees freedom of speech, the press, the right to peaceably assemble, the right to a fair trial, and the right to practice (or not) the religion of our choice - that first statement notwithstanding.

    The idiot who wrote that email you've quoted probably believes Jesus is real.

    He also probably believes a lot of other nonsense. The email-statement itself proves it.

    The Starship Troopers rule, and all the rest of that twaddle, is the result of at least sixty years of abysmal education.

    I don't fault you for taking this long to connect the dots.

    I praise you for having done so.

    Scared, yet? I am.

    I've been afraid of these people for a couple of decades now. Because they would cheerfully hang me for a traitor.

    You, too....

    Sleep well.

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  3. Well if tempers do flare over this brilliant post, I'll be happy to support you on this.

    Soldier worship is just a component of the fanatical patriotism that periodically swells in the U.S. It has spun wildly out of control in the U.S. since 9/11. It goes hand in hand with a lot of other "patriotic" ideas, such as not being allowed to criticize national leaders. And, of course, with that fanatical patriotism comes the notion of the "Other," the amorphous bad guy, who we can't really identify, but we know is not one of us. And the heroic soldier goes off to fight that amorphous bad guy to keep all of us good guys safe.

    It's simplistic and polarizing and disturbingly effective.

    Don't get me wrong. I think people who fight in the military make a huge sacrifice, beyond what postal workers make (to use your analogy). But I don't worship them, and I do not consider the military beyond reproach. Nor do I believe I have a duty to support military actions simply because soldiers are involved and can't be criticized. Scary how effective it all is though, isn't it?

    I don't know why I'm writing such a long comment ... I can't say any of this as brilliantly as you did. Well done!

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  4. i think a portfolio of investments in babykilling companies (haliburton, lockheed, etc.) would have done quite well since 2001.

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  5. My shock and dismay over the results of this stellar investigative report are mildly tempered by the knowledge that there's at least one chick around here that doesn't pull any punches.

    Girlfriend....you rock.

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  6. Lucky fifth grade to have a teacher not so blinkered

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  7. Bravo! I can't add anything to this.

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  8. Years ago, when they started to chant the slogan ‘support the troops” as they gave Bush and Cheney a trillion a year to wage the dirtiest war America has ever waged, other than the genocide of the natives of course, my first impression was, “good lord, if this is not blackmail, I don’t know what is!”

    How about we all send our under-aged kids to rob the quickie-mart with guns, and when they are holed up in the store engaging a firefight with the police, we soccer-moms all band together and march on down there, with a pizza in one hand and a case of ammunition in the other, chanting “support our kids, support our kids!”

    From the very first person who thought up this slogan to the very last one who is still using it today, every single one of them knew that it was a charade for the common folks, a political blackmail for the Democrats, and an insult to the troops and their families. The only way to actually “support” the troops is to cut off the war funding and to bring them home!

    Obama knows it, but even a God has his hands tied at times, as long as he chooses to think that his hands are tied. Nothing is impossible in life, you know, we, every single one of us, can at any time, like right now, decide to do something that we had for years thought that it is impossible to do. The truth is, anything is possible, we can choose to go down this same old dead-end path, or we can choose to change our future for the better.

    Hey, good writing. Are you actually active in any political party nowadays? Care to start a new one with me and my friends?

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  9. well, duh. Support the soldier, don't look behind him.

    War does awful things to people. Even those who survive. I had a great uncle who landed on Omaha beach during D-Day who died a few years back. And even in advanced age if a car backfired in the street, he would hit the deck. Not how I'd want to live my life. Nor would I want to wake up in the middle of the night, seeing the faces of the men I'd killed, either.

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  10. Great post! Thoughtful, incisive, and soooo beyond the ability of so many to fathom.

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  11. Thanks, Will.

    A couple years back I wrote a blog with the intolerably long title "Christmas at the Sanitarium, Part 2 (Co-Starring the Delicious Talents of Smedley Butler)."

    In that one, I put into the mouth of a friend of mine words essentially meaning this: Martyrdom for one's country is by necessity labeled into the ultimate Sacrament by the culture.

    This blog covers the same ground, really, but this time out, I didn't stick it into the mouth of another character. So I might be getting braver. Hmmm...

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  12. quit talking about me like that .... Hah!

    (morning Adri)

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  13. And with the looks of our education system these days, the departure from teaching critical thinking, and the control of textbooks at K-12 by right-nutwingers, the future of education looks just as dismal. The next generation isn't learning to think any better than the present one.

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  14. lol ... but didn't it make you feel good this Sunday morning!?

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  15. I figured I might have a bias on that one, given my profession and all.

    You know, to bounce a ball or fix a cheese sandwich, you need sense perception and manual dexterity and balance and depth perception, all working together. Different parts of the physical brain need to be activated and working in unison. If my vision goes out halfway through bouncing the ball, I will probably not be bouncing the ball much farther.

    Our rights operate on roughly the same idea.

    To credit "bouncing the ball" solely to our sense of depth perception - to the exclusion of everything else - is only half right, at best. This seems like it might be a misstatement of the "saving our freedoms" folks...

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  16. Hi, Tulips!

    Every time I think I've posted something that is going to piss people off, I end up being surprised. Last year, I posted one that I thought was going to send religious believers over the edge.

    But I ended up in debates with folks who were fairly ANTI-religion.

    That might say something about the crowd here more than anything else, but I think I have a pretty good cross-section. We shall see when the traffic gets heavier tomorrow morning...

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  17. If I get one more of those "Eff-Double-u-Colon" messages, I think I'm going to puke. I support the soldiers in that if our government is going to send them off to get shot, maimed, disfigured, and driven mad, the government should provide full medical and PSYCHIATRIC care if they're lucky enough to return. Would that make me a Soldier Worship agnostic?

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  18. When Marcus Aurelius said "A soldier without discipline is but a brigand", he was referring to the governing force of law.

    I agree - it's necessary to maintain some sort of force which can enforce that law - but when we begin to worship that force, and do the other things which elevate it to a position of some prominence over law, or mail-carriage, then we run the risk of becoming just another tin-pot military dictatorship.

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  19. i've noticed that this worship you talk about not only extends to soldiers, but in the days since 9-11 has extended to firemen and cops. every time a cop, fireman or soldier does something commendable, they are lauded as 'heroes'. well, scuuuuuuuuse me, mr and mrs america, but since when is doing what you're paid to do worthy of hero status? if you're paid to go out and blow up bad guys and you do it extremely well, you are not a hero, you are a good employee. if you run into a burning skyscraper to put out the fire, if you're a fireman, that does not make you a hero, it makes you a fireman. now if you were a sanitation worker and you did those things, maybe you could be considered a hero. it seems we as a nation are just too easily impressed sometimes.

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  20. Blind worship of any kind is fanatical and dangerous...

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  21. It is too bad that the Constitution and the rule of law are not coddled and worshiped as much as the armed services. Perhaps there would be a better understanding of the law if that were the case. But then, not everyone worships the armed services, it is just that it is a societal taboo to hint that one does not support the troops. (For all of the "worship" directed at the troops, the country hypocritically does not really take care of them, which means that the worship is truly phony and mere propaganda).

    Also, the American soldier doesn't guarantee any of the freedoms mentioned in the blog if a devastating war is lost, or if the war that is chosen by the American rulers is unwise. Frankly, the freedoms supposedly guaranteed by the soldiers are oftentimes lost as a result of waging the war in the first place. Note the plight of Japanese-Americans in WWII, note Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, etc., which have stripped freedoms and Constitutional law much more than any soldier could have possibly protected them in a waged war.

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  22. Personally, I think they're just glory hounds. Glory hounds who'll threaten to kill you if you think differently than they do.

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  23. There are so many ways to earn money, and sometimes very large sums of it.

    Consider General Electric (GE). They are one of the biggest defense contractors in the country. They also happen to own the NBC network.

    So they build, say, some engines for F-16 fighters and Apache Longbow helicopters. Then they send NBC over to film their products at work. For whatever reason, they fail to call it advertising.

    Clever...

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  24. Join us next week when we'll be kicking puppies, poisoning apple pies, and kicking Grandma out on the cold streets to die.

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  25. :-) Thanks for stopping in, Jewel!

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  26. Eddie, hey!

    Wow. I get a shout out on Astra Navigo's links page, and a whole assortment of shady characters stops by, haha...

    Good to see you, and thanks.

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  27. ah I see you draw the line at flag burning maybe?

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  28. Not to forget the total disregard for US law and the Geneva convention during the last 8 yrs, which we appear to have been fighting for.... If we cannot live up to our own ideals and laws, and if we abandon them in pursuit of war, what then do we claim these soldiers are fighting for?

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  29. The military is a means to an end, it seems to me. A tool.

    If I have a gun, and I pull the trigger to shoot an intruder or a potential murderer or food, that is theoretically a good end. If I use to shoot a man in Reno just to watch him die, I am using the tool to bad ends. No matter how good the gun is.

    If I am Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces and send the troops to Australia to take possession of all their BeeGees records, that is a bad ends, regardless of the effectiveness of the military's performance.

    Ha. No, I'm not in a political party. I think, were I to try and find one, I'd have to choose TWO. One for wehen I get up on one side of the bed in the morning, and one for when I get up on the other...

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  30. I'd love to post this on LV, but at the moment I don't feel I have the strength to endure the hatred that would ensue.

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  31. Flag burning is a great 1st Amendment topic!

    First, it's only theoretical, since flag burning almost never happens in the United States.

    Second, it is the very definition of sympbolic speech.

    Third, it leads to some unusual be fellows when the Supreme Court hears the cases. Justice Scalia will knock down flag burning statutes. Justice Stevens will uphold them (he compares burninga flag to burning the Lincoln Memorial, apparently not understanding that there is actually more than one copy of the American flag in the country)...

    In fact, flag burning might be TOO theoretical to get people going in a blog, unless I just pepper things with provocative generalizations...

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  32. At times, considering the two major political parties in this country, it's probably best not to get out of bed ... on either side!

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  33. The soldiers are fighting for the profits of corporations, and the American way of life, which is very dependent on natural resources. Not a noble thing, really, but that is just the way it is.

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  34. Flag burning has served the purpose of being a phony issue in certain presidential campaigns, even when there were more important topics to discuss and debate.

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  35. Yes, they always shout that they're fighting for our freedom, but what they're really fighting for is for our enslavement to corporate ideology.

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  36. I volunteer at the VA Hospital in Houston about once a quarter to help Vets with their assorted legal problems. It's noteworthy how many of them have, for example, stereotypical symptoms of PTSD. I'm not sure if it's a matter of doing inhumane things or not being able to de-program a trained killing machine or what...

    The sentimental goopy worship regarding the military that afflicts so many people doesn't seem to have afflicted most of the Vets I know. I know a retired Lt. Colonel from the Air Force who makes no bones about saying, "Folks in the military are no better and no worse than anyone else."

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  37. Morning, Lloyd!

    Well, almost afternoon now. I'm a little slow on the "Reply" trigger this morning.

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  38. Apparently upside down flag flying is also too much for some people

    http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local_crivitz_upside_down_flag_causes_controversy_20090710_rev1


    ignore the source, I don't usually go tthere for my news...

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  39. I linked this blog on my page, hope that's ok.

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  40. “If the Army and the Navy
    Ever look on Heaven’s scenes;
    They will find the streets are guarded
    By United States Marines.”
    ..........................................Amen,Amen,Amen

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  41. Interesting juxtaposition of images. I bet there was a story behind that at some point...

    You know, like I said in the blog, "My American-brand brain is stamped with an American flag."

    I don't walk around with a chip on my shoulder and I love the country, so it is difficult sometimes - when people use symbols that affect me - for me to pick out the utter crap.

    I'm not overly sentimental, but I can get choked up about patriotism. Don't tell anyone!

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  42. While the focus yesterday,today, tomorrow and for the next God-knows-how-many-days will be the death of a pop culture entertainer; while many will mourn, wail and quite literally make fools of themselves over it and while as many will speak endlessly about it, allow me, if only for a moment, to remind us all that others have died this month; others whose lives were cut short; others who leave behind loved ones and whose families will dearly miss them; families who'll suffer with much more dignity and honor than we'll be exposed to on the tube in the coming days.

    Yes... it's true... we've suffered a great loss... but forgive me while I tell you that I'm not talking about the king of pop music.

    These American military members died in Iraq this month:

    Sergeant Justin J. Duffy
    Specialist Christopher M. Kurth
    Specialist Charles D. Parrish
    Lance Corporal Robert D. Ulmer
    Staff Sergeant Edmond L. Lo
    Sergeant Joshua W. Soto
    Captain Kafele H. Sims
    Specialist Chancellor A. Keesling

    And these members of our U.S. Armed Forces died in Afghanistan this month:

    Sergeant Jones, Ricky D.
    Specialist Munguia Rivas, Rodrigo A.
    Command Master Chief Petty Officer Garber, Jeffrey J.
    1st Sergeant Blair, John D.
    Sergeant Smith, Paul G.
    Staff Sergeant Melton, Joshua
    Sergeant 1st Class Dupont, Kevin A.
    Specialist O'Neill, Jonathan C.
    Chief Warrant Officer Richardson Jr., Ricky L.
    Specialist Silva, Eduardo S.
    Lance Corporal Whittle, Joshua R.
    Major Barnes, Rocco M.
    Major Jenrette, Kevin M.
    Staff Sergeant Beale, John C.
    Specialist Jordan, Jeffrey W.
    Specialist Griemel, Jarrett P.
    Specialist Hernandez I, Roberto A.
    Sergeant Obakrairur, Jasper K.
    Staff Sergeant Hall, Jeffrey A.
    Private 1st Class Ogden, Matthew D.
    Private 1st Class Wilson, Matthew W.

    Let's remember and honor this day those whose deaths are truly impacting.

    God rest them and God comfort their loved ones they've left behind.

    FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!

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  43. That's only because athletes are getting busted for doing drugs and we don't have anyone else to worship.

    Wait til we find out there are gang-bangers and other assorted criminals protecting our country.

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  44. And what did they die for? It wasn't freedom as you seem to have indicated.

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  45. very well written. unfortunately people mix up things easily. Worship and respect, the "troops" and the individual soldier, defense of freedom and war-mongering out of economic interest.

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  46. This seems appropriate and I may just be gaining enough strength to face the battle:

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  47. Here from Tulips page
    You are right and I have no problem with your saying so as long as we also recognize the sacrifice
    and those Fw'd's drive me bats too

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  48. yes, it's true that freedom is not free. by which is typically meant that soldiers die in the course of war. and that wars are fought for freedom. freedom is somewhat of an elusive concept however. our laws are passed by 100 senators and 435 representatives. some $2 billion is spend lobbying them. none of that money represents me or, as far as i know, anyone else commenting here. as a result of that lobbying, i have some choices i can make, but i rarely know who has paid for whom when i go into the voting booth. so, yes, i have some freedom, but i wonder how many defense contractors were funding the project for a new american century or managed to have a presence on the defense policy board. they say the business of america is business. business needs energy and labor and capital. it prefers a strong military to keep shipping lanes open and energy cartels weak or beholden. it prefers its domestic regulation weak: externalizing costs and maximizing short term profits is good for the stockholders, whether they be the wealthier members of the public or megawealthy hedgefunds investors. yes some of the price of freedom is paid by our soldiers. as a result of their sacrifice, and by this i mean that the way in which the freedom they help assure us is managed here, i will likely not have a public health insurance option but, fortunately, i can know as much as i want about michael jackson's death. i can watch as complete morons prevented the park service from saying that the grand canyon is older than the time recorded in the old testament and that dinosaurs must have been alive on earth sometime in the last 7000 years,but gay people can't serve openly in the very military that provides them with the freedom to live as openly gay people. to circle back, freedom is not really freedom. true freedom would be anarchy. we want our traffic lights and our road system and our private property and our jails. we need to balance our rights with the rights of others. but in this very country we had to fight for the right for women to vote, whites to marry blacks, and gays to... um, have sex with each other. what soldiers sacrifice for is the state. what the people of the state sacrifice for is freedom. and we all have to fight all the time.

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  49. sorry, that's somewhat of a screed. honestly, the next line would have been.. and was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor? ... sigh..

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  50. Tina, we ALL have to fight for freedom in some way and it seems that only those who have been in the military feel they have the right to be respected or honored for it. Any idiot can march into battle and pull a trigger. Other types of fighting for freedom take more intelligence and courage, if you ask me.

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  51. well, actually, that's not true. i've read that it's difficult for humans to kill other humans and traumatic. i don't want to denigrate the sacrifice that soldiers make. i just think it's important not to fetishize it either,or else you end up with the emperor paying off the troops to be the emperor, instead of just the trilateral commission and the bilderbergs, the bohemian grove, zog, and the illuminati. i think the old joke goes that real courage and sacrifice is paying off a 30 year mortgage and raising a couple of kids while staying married.

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  52. Well, actually, it IS true. It IS difficult for humans to kill other humans, the first time at least. It IS traumatic. It IS ridiculous for people to be screwed up that way for the glory of consumerism.

    Most of the soldiers in my lifetime didn't volunteer to fight for our country. They were DRAFted. Those who DID volunteer after the draft mostly did so to get money for college or because no one else would hire them and they didn't expect to be sent into battle to die for a lie by some greedy posterior of a representative who had dreams of his own world monarchy.

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  53. Hmmmm (from tulips page) howdoes this make me feel -
    You are right it is a religion - however it reaches further than soliders - soliders are the disciples of this religion - and I will leave you to work the rest out.
    Is the religion wrong - where would would be with out soliders - about the same as we would without doctors, scientist, money makers, risk takers. Heaven it takes us all to keep the thing going! Without the cleaners in a hospital we would loose patients to infection - with out street cleaners we would be ankle deep in our own rubbish! Soliders play an important part in our history and unfortunitately our future (I wish we could live and let live but someone always wants to rule the world!) However sometimes soliders are put where that ought not to be - not to save people or land but to gain power for the goverment as pawns in someone agenda - then we are asked to worship them so as not to critise the regime that put them where thay ought not to be.
    *step down of the soap box*
    Oh yes a fwd mail - no that is a whole other soap box!

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  54. I decided to make a blog out of my comments on this page (with a little added commentary) to state how I feel. At least it gave my life a purpose for a few minutes.

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  55. I'm an agnostic in almost everything...

    This doesn't mean I don't understand or have an opinion regarding things. It just means I'm rarely 100% by any of it...

    Texas is, incidentally, generally 50th in psychiatric care overall.

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  56. It's also difficult to stand up and be who you are in the face of ridicule and resentment. You, of all people, should know that. Many of us have faced ridicule, beatings, false imprisonment, and any number of things for standing up for what we feel is right and for daring to be who we are no matter what the popular belief is. For us, it's a lifetime battle, not some 2-4 year stretch with option of re-enlistment.

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  57. Let's see here. We have 50 states and we're 50th. Well, I'm a guessin' it could be worse.

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  58. (I ain't two gud within them number thangys.)

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  59. On the upside, supporting the cops and firemen does not seem to necessitate encouraging more crimes or fires.

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  60. LOL, so you are noncommittal to both political and personal things in your life, huh? Yeah, I know the feeling, sometimes the spaghetti just does not taste like the chicken salad that I really wanted, nor was the guy like how I had imagined him to be when I went into his barracks while he was showering, haha! Just like your recent blind date, right? ;)

    But seriously, the support-the-troops crap is just like any other crap people throw out there hoping that it would stick long enough to move some votes. Once the jig is up, all of them would play dumb and divert attention to something else. I am still holding my breath on the Palin thing, since I can’t believe that a fellow feminist would do something this colossally short-sighted (I almost used another s* word here, haha).

    Back on the grand theme of your blog here, the freedom and everything else we enjoy here are not provided and protected by our soldiers and their guns. Instead, they are the fruit of our constitution and our ideals. Without these ideals we can never win any war because we would not win the hearts and minds here or abroad. Without legitimacy, we are no better than thugs and clowns on the world stage.

    That email blatantly denied the contribution of reporters, poets, and lawyers in the upkeep of democracy. It’s the same white-supremacy kind of thinking, where “they” are the only one important and right, while everyone else are unimportant thus always wrong. Besides, so what we would thank the soldiers, we all do, but it says nothing about the legitimacy of the decision to send the soldiers into the harm’s way in the first place. It’s really laughable that these people are now still screaming and yelling about this issue, because it just shows that they are running scared. Was it just yesterday in the news that the DOJ may begin prosecution of war crimes committed in the torture of the “enemy combatants”? I will once again be proud of being an American when Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, and Bush are sent to prison. Obama knows this too, and I realistically think that there is a 50% chance he will do this if he gets a second term. A girl can hope for a fairytale, right?

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  61. Well, it's safe to say that in many other nations, the military often ends up being the major impediment to basic rights. That has traditionally not applied much here...

    I have times been concerned that I suffer from something I call Constitutional fundamentalism - worshipping the rights in the Constitution in a kind of kneejerk fashion and as ends in themselves. I don't think I do.

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  62. I think it's generally a fake issue. However, I believe it really can and does get people have - I mean, theoretically, that's the power of the symbolic speech. Folks can hardly expect to do something they know is over the top and then act surprised when it has the intended effect.

    Of course, the ability to get people spitting mad is a talent, too. Everybody's got a line, it's just where that line is that differs.

    Speaking of which, my core audience here has a very high tolerance level for it, haha...

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  63. I saw that! The police justified the arrest, saying "It is illegal to cause a commotion." Which is an interesting approach to the law!

    That being said, I'm not sure that failure to issue liquor licenses is necessarily the biggest violation of our core rights happening out there right now... He may have been a little quick on the draw with his distress signal.

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  64. Glad I came back just in time for this blog if nothing else!!

    Were the draft still in place, where anybody and their father and/or brother (notice, girls don't get drafted), could be called upon to serve their country (unwilling if need be, but seriously, how many people will say 'hell no, I won't go?'), we've become a country (nee government) of a war cry instead of letting clearer heads prevail.

    I will say this, I think the 'support the troops' movement is because of what happened after the Viet Nam War where men were drafted to fight a losing cause and came home to be spat upon, called names because of the govenments failure to win decisively and the soldiers were to blame (as if they had a say so in how to end it). So in that I support the troops. No one who willingly goes in harms way should ever have to pay the price of the governments shortcomings. Other than that, I support you wholeheartedly.

    Adri for President!!

    (Of the Sanitarium, if nothng else)

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  65. You're invited to link to it, swing it around, cut it up in pieces and use it for mulch.

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  66. You'd think with as many channels and websites and all that we have, the media would be able to do BOTH - pay some attention to cultural figures AND, you know, keep following the effects of the war they were so whipped about for years.

    But nope.

    It's one story at a time. I'm not sure whose fault that is, but there it is.

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  67. Post 9/11, this is the inverse reaction to the Viet Nam war.

    Put Joe average in a dress uniform and turn him loose in a bar. He is almost guarenteed to score. Virgins and all tossing themselves on the alter and such. As a cop, I was able to benefit some from the reflective bounce of Soldier Worship. Apparently any uniform and weapon has some effect. We never got virgins though, it was more soccer moms and such.

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  68. To quote you, this makes any sentence funnier.

    "Yeah, I went outside to get the mail and forgot my pants, again."

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  69. I guess you and I are soon to be arrested, then. I'm sure our blogs about this are going to cause one. See what you went and started, little lady? You orta' be ashamed of yerself. ;)

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  70. I think the part that scares me more than the soldier worship, is the concept of the commander in chief. Yes i know the guy ( or gal one day) takes advices from generals and all sorts, but seriously the last guy who had the job really made me nervous...

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  71. I'm sorry, has Adri ever felt shame?

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  72. Hmm, no bikini pics i see. Here's a relevant one.

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  73. Yeah... This era has been hell on heroes, hasn't it? I mean, what would ya want your kid to grow up to be?

    President, like Clinton and Nixon? A Captain of Industry, like Ken Lay? A religious leader, like assorted priests and televangelists?

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  74. I want my kid to be honest, caring, generous and responsible...Maybe an injury attorney.

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  75. Thanks.

    Now that you said that, I remembered I was going to mention the differnce between "worship" and "respect" at some point in the blog, and I never got around to it.

    Ah well. It probably would have come across as didactic anyway, and I DO try to stay away from that sort of thing...

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  76. I viewed this one, and then checked out your "Poison Breakfast" clip.

    I'm going to HAVE to sink a little time into to your Youtube page sometime.

    What a strange accumulation of clips...

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  77. Welcome!

    Oddly enough, i think you might be the first person to mention that in these comments.

    I don't know whether that means my blog was wrong or that my cast of comment characters is just strange and atypical.

    Or both...

    Thank you for stopping by!

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  78. I have to say I agree, I came here after reading your note and this IS a good read. I don't think I can comment too much on ''Soldier Worship'' because I'm not American...............but this rings a few bells. A couple of days ago I sat and watched as the latest group of British soldiers to be killed in Afghanistan were shown on TV, the report was somber, respectful and full of praise and admiration for these young men who had lost their lives. As of course you would expect.BUT the only thought in my head at the time was.............OH MY GOD ..... these are CHILDREN being sent home in boxes, they were 18 years old, a couple of months older than the kids in the senior class of the school where I work. I think my gut reaction would not much be understood or appreciated by most people, but that is what I felt.
    And if soldier worship means we are blinded to every thing that should be obvious and commented on just because it concerns ..''soldiers'' ... I guess I agree.

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  79. yes... i'd never really thought about it that way, but that is how it works.

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  80. I, too, REALLY dislike that phrase. It keeps getting repeated and repeated, but whatever people think they are conveying with it, it's not being conveyed except in a very generalized sense that can be twisted to the speaker's purposes.

    Incidentally: According to our Declaration of Independence, you and I don't have rights because we have been granted them by our kindhearted government or by whomever is the Hero of the Day. We are "endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights," it seems. By virtue of being human, one must assume.

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  81. Well, these are not the days of marching a few thousand people with guns into battle head to head with the other side's thousands of people with guns and hoping that the bullets miss more of YOUR guys than THEIR guys.

    Soldiers aren't just warm bodies and raw meat so much anymore. They are specialized and trained and such. I guess it's more and mroe like that in the civilian work world as well - we are getting to be trained specialists in very narrow tasks and micro-fields.

    You said "courage," though, which is another one of those buzz words that people throw around without definition at times. I'm building quite a colleciton of those words today...

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  82. I think it was Patton who said "No soldier won a war by dying for his country. He won a war by making the OTHER soldier die for HIS country." I think that's the politically correct version.

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  83. When you talk of wars being fought for freedom, I would suggest that the majority of wars aren't fought for freedom, but for other, less idealistic reasons.

    Even in wars for freedom, presumably only one side is actually fighting for freedom, the other "tyranny" of some sort.

    I might add that not all recent American conflicts fall into the freedom category either in my opinion

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  84. I guess the others side slogan is

    "Tyranny isn't free"

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  85. Based on previous blogs and comments, I am pretty sure that saying Son of a Bitch is acceptable on this page. Given the topic of the blog, this would be an odd time to be politically correct

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  86. Would you prefer intestinal fortitude? The use of the buzz word was intentional to link it to the buzz words that are so often tossed around by military supporters.

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  87. Well, it isn't, actually. Look at all they money they had to pay Halliburton to build all those prison camps to house all those nasty Muslims that you see on every street corner trying to take over our country. Also, do you realize how expensive those spy satellites and camera equipment is? Of course, the BIGGEST threat is those damn homosexuals who want to get married.

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  88. Adri,
    My I have the pleasure. actual true request. of forwarding your thoughts to "the Nuge" aka Ted Nugent, singer, songwriter, and regular columnist for the Waco Texas daily Tribune? As I pointed out some two years ago, you with only a fraction of his readers, got several times the number of comment's from your Blogs that he does from his newspaper columns. This was consistently true then and I believe it to be true now. I can't document it because the newspaper quit printing or placing online the responses to his writings since the last time I checked a year or so ago.

    Ted deserves the opportunity to defend our troops from being spit on at airports by braless little hippie chicks who are brainwashed by you, along with your lackeys and fellow travelers, as he battles the hippie commie dope fiend leftist tree hugging traitors who read your beautifully rendered pseudo revisionist Pravda slander against America and all true Americans. Should anyone doubt Ted's bonifidies they should click the link provided to read the writings of a true American who speaks of the greatness of American values. Take a gander at the simplicity and virtue of someone with a bumper sticker that reads "Save Darfur, Send Rifles" and writes of uplifting true American values in the following July 5th column written by this Great American, Ted Nugent. What patriotic American parent would deprive their child of the mental, emotional, and physical benefit, of the activities described in Ted Nugent in the following column so aptly titled,

    "Ted Nugent: Observe healing powers of arrow in flight"

    http://www.wacotrib.com/opin/content/news/opinion/stories/2009/07/05/07052009wacnugent.html

    Listen to this article or download audio file.Click-2-Listen

    Buzz up! TED NUGENT Texas Wildman

    Ted Nugent is a Waco-based musician and television show host. Contact him directly at tednugent.com.

    Besides, you'll sell more of you upcoming "Great American Novel" if you go, "chica a mano" with Ted. More importantly you'll have a bow and arrow to back up your Assault Rife in that wheelchair. Frank

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  89. I'll tell you right now, fctrigg, I'm not brainwashed by Adri or anybody else. I have a mind and can think for myself. I also have eyes and ears that have experineced the tragedies of war. To glorify the feeling of making a kill makes you disgusting in my book.

    You call yourself a "true American?" What have you REALLY done for the people of this country?

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  90. Depends on the context and the man, I suppose.

    There's a psychological experiment called Milgram's 37 in which people were told to give wat they thought were lethal doses of electricity to people by authority figures - and almost always did so!

    You also, however, have some really daunting stats coming out of the world of Vets right now regarding PTSD and such. I don't know whether the NATURE of the mission and attitude towards the moral correctness of what they've done figures into the mix. Seems like it would, right?

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  91. ..*smiles* that would be sarcasm right? (sometimes I need to check these things)

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  92. Hey Rachel!

    No worries. I only post soap box material about once every 2 or 3 months, & when I do, veryone is welcome to have a go.

    Usually, folks don't avail themselves of the opportunity to take me on. No matter how stupid my pet theory of the day is...

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  93. Cool, Cal!

    Despite the fact that I spent the begter part of yesterday evening watering the text of this blog down, I still appear to have a few folks thinking/talking/babbling/whatever. A coupe people have linked to me, etc...

    I'll check out your page...

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  94. I forget how brainwashed most people are to obey authority without question. It never stuck with me and I actually DO remember a time when people had enough intestinal fortitude to question seemingly immoral orders given to them by their authorities. Unfortunately, a lot of people started fearing how they were going to make the next outrageous payment on that credit card that they are going to keep using regardless that they fear to question authority in fear of losing their jobs, in fear of being prosecuted, or any number of other outrageous reasons to blindly follow orders from others.

    The brainwashing in the military to get people to kill other people is extensive. Demonization of the enemy, telling them that not following one order could jeopardize the lives of their wives, mom, grandma, apple pie, and the entire free world, etc. Even telling them that it could result in danger to their own family by the American military sometimes figures into it. Not EVERY soldier buys into all of it, but most of them do. There have been cases where military wives were warned not to speak out in an ominously threatening manner.

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  95. ..It might best be handled in another incindiary blog.. but to address the possibly related worship of "the right to bear arms".. how about we simply remove the Second Amendment, ya think the gun topic would be any more contentious than it is today?

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  96. I like to think of this as "bumper sticker ideology".. a big concept, an imprecise summary, and a neato sound bite. It would be a reflection of the ever pervasive "dumbing" of American discourse that we rarely go beyond the bumper-sticker explanation.

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  97. See? You do have a heart.

    Anyway, I do know I had some symptoms of PTSD when I quit swordfighting. I think it's more the extreme violence inherent in some situations with most people. I mean how many people do you know personally who have killed another human being? I've known a few. One smoked pot constantly. Wake, bake, chase. Never could look deep into himself, nor accept that he was a valued person.

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  98. See? You do have a heart.

    Anyway, I do know I had some symptoms of PTSD when I quit swordfighting. I think it's more the extreme violence inherent in some situations with most people. I mean how many people do you know personally who have killed another human being? I've known a few. One smoked pot constantly. Wake, bake, chase. Never could look deep into himself, nor accept that he was a valued person.

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  99. See? You do have a heart.

    Anyway, I do know I had some symptoms of PTSD when I quit swordfighting. I think it's more the extreme violence inherent in some situations with most people. I mean how many people do you know personally who have killed another human being? I've known a few. One smoked pot constantly. Wake, bake, chase. Never could look deep into himself, nor accept that he was a valued person.

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  100. Actually, it just got worse last month. Medicaid (in Texas) stopped paying for psychological care in institutional settings.

    Retroactively.

    Which means even psych wards that WERE helping people are having to pay back millions in Texas.

    Because crazies need to learn to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

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  101. That is starting to look like the theme of recent blogs, huh?

    Actually, I thin I'm pretty clear on some basic values when it comes to social policy and politics. I jujst don't like institutions and clubs as a means of carrying them out or ends in themselves.

    There's a Buddhist idea, that you use the boat to cross the stream. When you are finished crossing the stream, you don't carry the boat around on your head. You leave it there and do whatever you were going to do on the other shore.

    With most institutions, we forget this. We start honoring the boat.

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  102. The sacrifice of one's life does make the soldiers job and that of a mail-carrier a bit different. And the respect vs. worship point is also worth expanding upon.
    When 'real Patriots' get around to reading and responding to this blog, you might have to do some polishing. *grin*

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  103. I thought about tis. I have heard such stories - a couple times by people claiming to have experienced it.

    I cannot comprehend what would make someone do this.

    Sadly, it seems that at times, folks feel the solution to extremism is extremism in the other direction...

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  104. Yeah, the same goes fer them lazy soldiers and workers who had limbs blown or torn off or had some other problem that caused 'em ta git laid off. They jest need ta get off thar lazy bums an' find 'em another job. I'm sure thar's sumpthin' thay kin dew. Besides, that thar sy-co-logicul crap is all in thar heads.

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  105. Because sadly enough, SOME americans think that losing a war goes hand in hand with failing as a country and somebody HAS to take the blame and the government is an entity that seems out of reach (and out of touch).

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  106. The virgins were all off with the military guys, huh?

    You know, there's an old saying in politics (it's probably in the military, too) that you're "always fighting the last war."

    For me, this means that it is easy to get caught in a cycle of overcompensating for past mistakes. You mess up bad enough today, then tomorrow you're going to be so focused on not repeating THOSE mistakes that you're bound to make a bunch of new ones.

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  107. Hey! Someone just quoted ME to me!

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  108. Haha... yeah, the people electing the civilian head of the military SEEMS questionable.

    The alternative seems easy worse!

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  109. I have a folder full of potential blog pics I keep. One of the possibilities for this one was a topless woman wrapped it the flag.

    I thought of you.

    The picture, sadly, did not make the final cut for the blog...

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  110. You do have a point! It's like that old anti-drug commercial where they say, "No one ever says 'I want to be a junkie when I grow up'."

    No parent ever says, "I want my kid to be an ambulance chaser when they grow up."

    Overall values matter more than the specifics of job choice, yeah. Which is why I've decided I'm going to be a shaman on a pirate ship.

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  111. I was in San Antonio last year, and everywhere I went there were... well, a disproportionate number of young dudes in wheelchairs.

    I finally asked someone what the hell was going on in San Antonio that so many 20-year olds only had one foot each.

    There's a big military hospital there.

    Real people we're going to be seeing for a long time...

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  112. Absolutely. At the same time, the vast majority of folks who serve in the military - as with those on a city's police force - never end up killing another human being.

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  113. You could be correct. That might be an interesting blog.

    You DO know I'm a self-proclaimed gun nut, right?

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  114. Being a physicist and a factory worker are a bit different too. That's why you rarely get the same people applying for those two jobs.

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  115. Are you actually ENCOURAGING folks to cuss on my page, Brent?

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  116. My very favorite author EVER, Alan Watts, wrote something like this during the Vietnam War:

    "Wars over land or over natural resources or over Helen are actually MORE rational and less dangerous than wars over ideology. Because if you are fighting over possession of an island, you're at least going to take some care not to blow up the island. But if you're fighting over an abstract, there is NO extreme you will not go to in order to convert or kill the heathens..."

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  117. Hey, Frank! Forward as you see fit.

    The reactions here have been surprisingly one-sided.

    I was rather hoping for a little bit more rounded discussion - especially since I wrote it with an audience who might not agree with me IN MIND.

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  118. Are you following me around, again? I am always one for making new mistakes.

    The other alternative to new mistakes is to deny any previous actions were in error, keep repeating the same behavior then wonder why you end up in the same situation every few months/years (pregnant, in jail, run over by a city bus, etc). In theory it is possible to strike a balance between those two options, although I don't personally know who has managed it.

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  119. Practically EVERYONE can be characterized as a glory hound.

    Walk into any office setting and start talking to people. Everyone there will insist they're the only person in that office who actually WORKS.

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  120. Apart from those reading this blog...

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  121. I tried to stay clear of any reference to recent military actions in the blog. Because really, my position on rank-and-file military folks isn't going to be much different whether we are engaged in a "good" conflict, "bad" conflict, or no conflict overseas at all.

    In fact, what I wrote could hold MORE true if we were in the midst of a popular war than one where folks are dying for a controversial "cause."

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  122. Indeed, apart from a few taking matters into their own hands, one can reallyonly admire and honor the rank and file. Those making the decisions as to what conflict is good or bad are really the test of the system

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  123. The dirty little secret about the Sanitarium is that it's actually a devious plot to undermine the productivity of the American worker.

    I post every couple weeks, and Average Worker Productivity plummets for days.

    Speaking of which, isn't there something I should be doing right now?

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  124. Adri the santerium is place where like minds meet. Like our fictions cross back and forth. I hope u like my take of the worm I wrote for u in the bullentin. I played with Frank Herbert's theme with it.

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  125. Do they threaten to kill people who think differently than they do, too? Just curious.

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  126. We called people like those the chairmen of the city council where I came from, at least I heard the grown-ups around me saying something like it, especially when the chairmen were also the local rabbi, lol.

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  127. That was funny. Now what about the decline in my productivity? I read somewhere (sorry I can't cite my source) that around 70% of U-Tube videos were watched between the hours of 8 am and 5 pm.

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  128. I think she was just using that as a lead in to the main topic, not the center piece really...

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  129. This wasn't penned by a Hollywood liberal crackhead. It's a pretty standard comment used in conversations with my kids.

    And that line "And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you" gets used too. I'm pretty sure most parents would agree with this.

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  130. Whew!

    My writing was called a braless hippie commie dope fiend earlier today, so I had to make sure there was some redneck acknowledged....

    Because I'm a REDNECK braless hippie commie dope fiend. Pirate. Shaman. Folks need to be more accurate with their name-calling...

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  131. THAT in fact might be what I inartfully was circling here.

    I wrote: ..."uttering the magic words “I Support the Troops” and passin’ around some empty sentimental platitudes next to a picture of a bowing soldier and the American flag."

    I'm anti-sentimentality. Completely. If people gush about somehting before they think, chances are, I'm going to kick whatever it is. Our vague and goopy honor for the troops is just TOO easy, and yet rarely targeted...

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  132. One of the arguments against over-regulating the employer/employee relationship is called "freedom of contract." Sure, I'm offering $3 an hour to my waitresses and I make them wear bikinis and will find reasons to fire the black ones, but if the government steps in about any of that, both my and the waitress' "freedom of contract" is infringed upon, so we must all be at-will employees.

    So for libertarians and conservatives, it often comes down to, "Find a new job" if you have crappy work conditions.

    Similarly, although someone stationed in Siberia can not just walk away from the military, if they're in the mdoern Armed Forces, they didn't get drafted. All their friends told them ahead of time, "You're going to get sent to Guam!"

    They volunteered. And no matter how much we want to sentimentalize it, they probably DID NOT volunteer out of an overhwelming urge to get shot on behalf of my freedom...

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  133. The specific (very famous) movie speech, however, WAS written by Aaron Sorkin, who is indisputably a liberal Hollywood crackhead. I mean, I'm not even calling him names. He's a liberal Hollywood crackhead. He lives in Hollywood, is a noted liberal, and admits to smoking crack on a regular basis

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  134. They also probably thought there was a limit on the time they might serve in combat.

    It's a good thing the US had access to private security forces we could hire and send to the war zone. And we did that in significant numbers. And, no.. of course they weren't 'mercenaries.' They were free market patriots, of only the highest moral quality.

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  135. I have to agree with you here on the sentimentality issue.

    Now, that being said, I did get a little teary-eyed when I read the article that was the basis for "Taking Chance". But that's a real story, and what the people did in that wasn't some blanket gushiness, but they were reacting to a specific situation. And I appreciate what they did for him on his journey back home.

    But we (as a society) have a problem with seeing certain classes of people clearly, such as doctors, lawyers, accountants, politicians (well, maybe not there), etc.. We want to believe that our doctor is some paragon of wisdom and knowledge, but he may be a drunk pedophile on the weekend that was last in his medical class for all we know. But as long as he writes the script for me to get something to take the edge off, he's "the man", no questions asked.

    Nobody is as good or as bad as we think that they are. They're just people sometimes trying to do the best that they can. And they are going to screw up just like you and me. Don't put them on a alter, but let's appreciate the true hardships that they go through for us.

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  136. Huh, I didn't know that. I heard him interviewed on NPR's science Friday about the The Farnsworth Invention play that he was working on.

    Liberal Hollywood crackhead, huh? No wonder those commie pinko bastards at Science Friday loved the guy. Don't get me wrong, I really like Science Friday, when they are actually talking about science that is...

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  137. Agreed. And that's why I didn't have a lot of sympathy when the one guy didn't want to go over, because he didn't know that being in the military might get you "shot at". It was kind of like "Dude, that wasn't even in the fine print, you idiot, you're joining the army!"

    A large group of people in the military don't get shot at. (I may be corrected here, so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong). To support that pointy tip of the spear, you need a huge supply chain, and no matter how large Haliburton is, there are still a lot of people in the military that push paper, turn wrenches, fix helicopters, cook and what not. I'm not minimizing their contributions either, but...

    My dermatologist is a woman. Her husband is a dermatologist as well. He's in the army reserve and has been mobilized a lot. He'll go over seas for 3 to 6 months at a time and then some back. But he goes to Germany and sees all of the skin related ailments that come out of the middel east. And then he goes around the country side drinking german beer on the weekends.

    Curing skin rashes to protect our freedoms. It's the kind of gig that I'd like to get, for sure.

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  138. OK you asked for it.

    I didn't comment on the merits of the argument since I was never in the military. My father was a 1st class seaman on a very small supply ship during the Pearl Harbor attack. From about 30 days after the attack until the end of the war, he did not see his family. He spent 30 years in the Navy working up to Chief Warrant Officer. Besides WW II he saw action in Korea and in Viet Nam. His opinion, the worship is all a bit silly and he never understood it. When you are in the armed forces you are being paid to do a job.

    He also thought anyone who whined about a 12 month deployment was a pussy since he did it for 4+ years. It was part of the job and they knew what they are getting into when taking the oath. You want the benefits, you take the bad along with the good. His words, not mine.

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  139. If you notice, I did not mention the current conflicts at all in my blog.

    But you're right, they privatized a lot of stuff in the recent conflicts that formerly would have been done by military folks. Furthermore, they didn't always save money doing it.

    I know folks involved in KBR. They were THROWING money around. Sue KBR for anything involving Iraq, they'd settle. The old $600 toilet seat thing is alive and well and it's invaded the private sector...

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  140. i am really pretty very sure that soldiers returning from vietnam were not spit on because they fought in a losing war. to the extent this occurred i am really very pretty sure that it was because a certain segment of our society felt that the vietnam war was immoral and that the people that fought in it should have exercised a personal choice not to, either by become a conscientious objector or going to canada. of course, we had a draft back then and and presumably the spitters were largely of age.... now other bad things happened to vets as a result of our being losing the war. mostly in a serious lack of social services and effective medical care. sort of what we do to our "winning side" soldiers as well.

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  141. Well.. without a draft, and with a 'disengaged' populous unable to clearly see the threats as outlined by Our President.. we should be thankfull the private sector was available to ultimately bring Truth and Lasting Peace to Iraq. If it weren't for a free-market of militarists with their own body armour this engagement could have been a mess.

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  142. He's the "West Wing" writer.
    Probably not a very nice guy.
    Really really damn good as a writer of dialogue.

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  143. I worshipped the West Wing television show.

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  144. This the undeniable fact that so burns in the hearts and minds of the unrepentant Liberal........Burn baby, burn!....GOD BLESS AMERICA & THE AMERICAAN SOLDIER!!! AMEN!

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  145. parody or not, you make the call.

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  146. As if on cue...

    We've had a couple folks who were honestly a bit concerned about my words and the comments posted here. Which is cool.

    We've had a couple people point out where I might have gone off course in my thinking. Unforgiven77 was probably on track with the points he made.

    Then we have this comment, which does not seem constructive nor meant to weigh or inform so much as, you know, insult. I don't know what should have been the bigger tip-off: the cartoonish TV soldier on your profile pic or the fact that you spelled "American" wrong in your comment.

    Nifty.

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  147. To accomplish parody, one has to keep two (2) different ideas or worldviews in one's head simultaneously.

    Two (2) being more than one (1), I think it's safe to say that parody is not being attempted in the case at hand.

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  148. The sentiments of a valued Sanitarium Resident.

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  149. OMG, that looks like an ER doc at Weatherford Hospital. Not kidding.

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  150. He IS a valued Sanitarium resident! He's been around forever, and I think he might be in the minority (for the room) on a lot of things, and he can STILL throw around lines like that one...

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  151. ER docs who carry are my favorite ER docs.

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  152. Oh my, I just got verklempted. Take a moment. Talk amongst yourselves...

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  153. spaceagel wrote,
    "I'll tell you right now, fctrigg, I'm not brainwashed by Adri or anybody else. I have a mind and can think for myself. I also have eyes and ears that have experineced the tragedies of war. To glorify the feeling of making a kill makes you disgusting in my book."

    You call yourself a "true American?" What have you REALLY done for the people of this country?

    Yes I am a "True American" and proud veteran. I betcha you were one of those sissy soldiers who were spit on by braless little hippie chicks in the airport and didn't have the gonads to do anything about it except cry. You should learn how to read, as you have no idea what I was writing about.
    I'll betcha you're Anti Christian as well, because from the sound of your post, you wouldn't even "Kill a Commie for Christ".

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  154. I once bought the world a Coke.

    I'm assuming this covers me for the duration...

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  155. u know how stupid this blog sounds which is why u put the stuff in there at the beginning.

    u r unappreciative it seems like but ur fans r worse u just say crazy shit but they seem to actively hate the military.

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  156. Thank you for pointing out that military personnel don't think. They are, rather, trained to follow orders and listen to "Go kill 'em and die for your country, Peggy Sue, and Apple Pie" propaganda. Your remarks and assumptions about me are really letting your ignorance shine. It put a smile on my face.

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  157. Its an interesting blog. I was more than surprised though to see it spill over on my guestbook.

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  158. Oh, and I wouldm't kill a Commie for Christ... for two reasons. One, the "Commies" helped us defeat the NAZIS in WWII. Two, Christ doesn't support killing.

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  159. Wow, the elitest left are surely making themselves known on this thread! Rofl ...

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  160. More accurately stated, the Commies (USSR) paid the blood debt to defeat the Nazi's in WWII. There were more Russians killed in the Battle for Berlin in April/May 1945 ( little more than a two week period) than the total war deaths of American's from D-Day June 6th till the end of the European War. They would have defeated Hitler by themselves anyway. We just hurried it up a little.

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  161. Hard to imagine that you'd tell that story without including their agenda and final goal. A bit selfserving don't you think?

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  162. mikehewitt2009 wrote
    "Hard to imagine that you'd tell that story without including their agenda and final goal. A bit selfserving don't you think".
    If you were talking to me, I'd appreicate an answer to the following, and please feel free to cite sources as I never make a statement of fact, that I'm not willing to bet real money on.
    What story and what agenda and who does it serve ? Are the facts wrong, and if so please cite a source. If you do that I'll cite a dozen by non Commies who will say you are wrong. Wanna bet real money or are you all suit and no knowledge?

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  163. I'm on a blackbeery and unable to provide you links, etc.
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    That said, I don't believe I'll need to for the point I'm making.
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    Please remember that the USSR was more than happy to sign treaties, make deals and assist in arming Hitlers Germany while Hitler waged his early war effort against the west. Hitler spun out of their 'limited partnership' not the Communists. Sometimes our life is defined by the company we keep and evil deeds we are willing to be party to.
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    Next, in the time line you present there was a race going on betweeb the USSR and America for the fruits of victory. The science that laid waiting for its new owner, etc.
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    In keeping with the communist values of life - the USSR was willing and actually did throw as many of their sons into the fire as needed to do what you've described. Not in some noble effort, but to win the spoils of war.

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  164. Oh, America wouldn't do a thing like that, would they? Nothing like supporting the Nazi war effort:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

    putting Saddam Hussein in power:

    http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html

    or any number of other atrocities committed by our government.

    You don't think America has thrown many of it's sons into the fire to win the spoils of war? Who are YOU trying to fool?

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  165. In that most people who spew "I support the troops" really dont do one concrete thing to support the troops other than saying they do I think the "soldier worship is a religion" thing is hyperbole. That being said also, I'm clear who on this page do not and would not unless they were looking down the bidness end of the rifle of someone who wanted to terminate their way of life. If they got that far it would be too late to change your mind. That's why they are where they are. Y'all can throw all your intellectual analysis and uninformed theories around all you want. It's okay, they'll protect you too. I know I know, you really don't need protection. Of course you dont. I'm just not as smart as y'all I guess. Simple minded 'n all. I'll continue to serve as I have for the last 32 years. I said it when I was active duty and I still say it as a contractor. You dont have to thank me. I'll just take my paycheck and my family's safety as thanks enough.

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  166. mikehewitt2009
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    mikehewitt2009 wrote today at 1:33 PM
    "I'm on a blackbeery and unable to provide you links, etc.
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    That said, I don't believe I'll need to for the point I'm making.
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    Please remember that the USSR was more than happy to sign treaties, make deals and assist in arming Hitlers Germany while Hitler waged his early war effort against the west. Hitler spun out of their 'limited partnership' not the Communists. Sometimes our life is defined by the company we keep and evil deeds we are willing to be party to.
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    Next, in the time line you present there was a race going on betweeb the USSR and America for the fruits of victory. The science that laid waiting for its new owner, etc.
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    In keeping with the communist values of life - the USSR was willing and actually did throw as many of their sons into the fire as needed to do what you've described. Not in some noble effort, but to win the spoils of war".

    That has nothing to do with my point which I will state as fact. We didn't win the Second World War in Europe, the Commies did. The Commies value on life is not the point I'm making. What dealings they had with Hitler has nothing to do with it. The point is, the Commies paid the blood debt. Could we have successfully invaded Europe if Germany hadn't already lost half a million troops at Stalingrad and another half million at Kursk, If three quarters of the remaining German troops hadn't been tied down in the East, could we have successfully invaded? No way? Could we have dropped the Atomic bomb on them later?. Yes, but it would have led to all kind of recriminations about us killing humans as opposed to the Japanese who we thought of as sub humans, America's version of Jews.

    I have no idea what you mean with our second paragraph.

    As far as the third paragraph, it's totally idiotic. The value the Commie's placed on human life has nothing at all to do with the value Stalin put on human life. Don't forget about your boy Adoph. He had his guys fight to the last, sacrificing untold millions not counting the millions he had murdered because they were sub human. You got any human in you? . Was he a Commie? How about the Japanese? They weren't Commies and they fought to the last man. What is different about the Commies and the Germans and the Japanese in value for human life? Maybe you haven't thought of it but maybe the Commie's were fighting for their country, and not just after the spoils of war. Maybe you should anticipate what kind of response your assertions might raise before you write something that isn't accurate.

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  167. Haha... The comments on my blog have a tendency to spill over into all sorts of places they might not belong. I only do about ONE vaguely political blog per quarter (the rest stay the heck away from politics), but they generally get the biggest responses...

    I haven't checked out your guestbook today, but I'm going to guess that someone thought they were calling in the cavalry.

    Thank you for checking in and keeping the punches above the belt, Mike!

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  168. The comments to this blog are much, much more fringe than my original blog was. Of course, ym originaly blog expressed almost no opinion of any kind, so that isn't very surprising...

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  169. Do you mean the leader of the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany? My boy?

    I'm a classical liberal .. by contrast, Hitler built a grossly powerful central government and then rebuilt his economy in a hard socialistic fashion. Sound familiar?

    Awwhh .. you think that I'm right wing and you assume that right wingers are racist. An interesting error given the history of the hard left. Sir, I think we are done here.

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  170. *loudspeaker announcement*

    Clean up in Ward 5!!

    (oh, I'm sorry Adri, perhaps I should have waited for you?)

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  171. I'm hardly the cavalry, but if that was the thinking they must have been disappointed.

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  172. I, on the other hand, would be very surprised were Christ to appear to me and make such a request.

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  173. It's said that he has a sense of humor .. so I'd have assumed he was joking.

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  174. It seems like the folks who are the rank and file military types during a war don't usually get to write the histories about whether they were fighting for a good or bad cause.

    I think of a philosophy writer (with some decent stuff) named Paul Feyerabrand, who actually got shot during WW2 while he was fighting. For Germany. He was a kid and got drafted.

    The current Pope lived in Germany during that time and was a member of "Babies for Adolf" or whatever they called it. Hitler Youth?

    Were they good Germans? Patriots? Good soldiers? Doing what they were told?

    Why are the cases of Paul Feyerabrand and the Pope NOT particularly offensive, but we're offended by OTHER German soldiers in WW2 who say they were "just following orders"?

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  175. I'm not offended by what a child was forced to do during the crisis that was Germeny and Europe to remain alive.

    That said, I do agree that there is often a significant difference between what motivates our troops -v- what motivates our military leadership.

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  176. This statement opens up a whole new can of worms!!

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  177. Yet, it's the troops that are in the trenches fighting while leadership sits at a desk in Washington.

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  178. Yeah, it can be empty words. I don't think it is unusual for people to turn something like "Support the Troops" into an empty sentimental statement.

    BUT, you know, I can say "I don't believe in God," and I won't be run out of town on a rail. I can say I dislike children or puppies or baseball, and people will say "whatever, okay."

    I cannot think of ANY OTHER topic that would get such a kneejerk response in this country than ANYTHING which can be interpreted as being vaguely not supportive of the troops. It seems to be in a category all its own.

    Saying something that can be misinterpreted as being less than supportive of the troops is THE Big Taboo.

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  179. Yeah, we should probably only throw so many controversies into the mix per blog, haha...

    But it's kind of a classic undergrad ethics class-type conundrum: At what point would you have to stand up as a soldier and say, "No"?

    I mean, is it okay if I have a mundane task in the Nazi army but not if I am, say, in charge of turning on the gas at a concentration camp? Does it matter whether my refusal would end with me getting executed while the gassings continue unabated by another soldier?

    Ah, the hypothetical ethical dilemma...

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  180. Now THAT I will agree with you on.

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  181. Do you think it's what you say or who you say it too? Perhaps those prone to reacting to a statement like that are simply the types who will react passionately to it.

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  182. And what the HELL DO YOU MEAN YOU DONT BELIEVE IN GOD, DISLIKE PUPPIES AND CHILDREN???? WHAT ARE YOU SOME KIND OF COMMUNIST?

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